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hello my name is garrett yant

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and i'm presenting

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some

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fun and interesting results of a study

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on behalf of the whole team of

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scientists at the institute of noetic

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sciences

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including helene huabay arnold delorme

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lauren carpenter and dean raiden

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so this was a fun study that we did

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that was inspired

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by a few things one was an anecdotal

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observation happened about 20 years ago

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during an experiment in beijing china

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with qigong masters

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so let me just start by

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defining clairvoyance just for the

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purposes of this talk i'm talking about

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faculty of perceiving things or events

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beyond normal sensory contact

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so the anecdote

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that happened those years ago it's a

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long story i'm going to keep it short

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because i'm going to tell a couple other

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stories before we get to the data

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bottom line is

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in beijing in a hospital setting me and

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a white coat brought in the qigong

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master and said hey i want you to send

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she the cells in this petri dish

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and their normal brain cells

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we did the whole thing we walked out and

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he's like no no those are not normal

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they had a lot of disturbance g and they

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needed to send them away

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in the end it was a miscommunication and

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he was right and one of the things that

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stood out to me is that i was in this

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white coat

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in a sterile environment telling him the

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way it was

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and he got some information that he knew

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i was wrong he was right so

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that later that left a big impact on me

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and i wanted to see if we could bring

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this into the laboratory

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so we did do an experiment and this is

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published so i'm going to just talk

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about it because it's

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its background and some of the design

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that we learned through this published

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study we applied to the current study

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that is unpublished so i'll run through

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this somewhat quickly

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so to try to set up

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event but in the laboratory the first

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thing we did was bring

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folks from our local area

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um

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self-described clairvoyance they

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operated within the community

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professionally in this in this way

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brought him into the lab and said hey

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this is what we want to do so before

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designing the experiment we brought them

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in to collaborate

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and in this case instead of having

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normal cells and cancer cells i just

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wanted to make the signal as clear as

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possible to make it as simple as

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to replicate what we saw which was the

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detection of cancer cells

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so we had cancer cells in a petri dish

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and then a petri dish that had calling

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it salt water it's basically basically

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the buffer that allows the cells to stay

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alive in the petri dish and we just set

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them side by side and they're of course

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you can't see them with your naked eye

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but we asked them can you tell the

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difference are you feeling any kind of

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subtle energy coming out of the petri

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dish with the cancer cells in it

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compared to just the salt water

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and we wanted to have 10

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participants

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so as we interviewed folks a few of them

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or a couple of them said you know noah

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this is not it's not the kind of thing i

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who knows maybe they really wanted to

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work with the whole body but these

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little pieces of human cells in the

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petri dish they just weren't weren't

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feeling it

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um we also then put the

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dishes inside of an envelope

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i'm just again to be clear that there's

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going to be no visual cues

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and make sure that the paper doesn't

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interfere with the emanations of these

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and so we we interviewed 12 people until

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we got 10 yeses so

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two of them said you know i don't this

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is not the way it works so we had 10

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so the first test

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bring them into the lab put in front of

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them an envelope that's unmarked and

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with cancer cells or the petri dish with

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so we had 20

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participants all together we had the 10

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sensitives and then 10 staff members who

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you just ask them you know these are

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technicians saying no i don't have any

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any clairvoyant skills necessarily

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so these were control

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subjects we did 34 trials and we chose

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biostatistician on the team

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been decades in biomedical research we

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said we want to be conservative about

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this you know we if this if we see

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something here we want it to be we want

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the statistics to be strong

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so he said well it's just like a yes or

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no choice so you need to do it 34 times

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for it to be you have enough power

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so we did that with all 20 people the

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results

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came out of chance for everybody

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you know i was crestfallen

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scratched my head brought in a few of

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the practitioners said hey what's you

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know help us think about this some more

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because i know this could happen is why

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isn't it happening here

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so the first thing they said was that um

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you know during the orientation when you

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brought us in

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there was something to compare you know

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we knew there were two things and there

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was something to compare and this is a

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really really valid point because

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if we were in person i would demonstrate

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because if you get two little paper cups

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of water and a slightly different amount

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of water in them if you're holding the

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both in your hand and you can compare

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them it's really easy to figure out

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which one is heavier which one has more

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put them down make

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blindfold somebody and have them one of

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and then having the other one yet it's

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really hard if there's nothing to

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so we said great okay let's do it all

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the cancer cells on the left and water

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them and have this comparison when doing

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the trial so we did that same

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participants 34 trials again again

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everybody came out a chance

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so again scratch our heads

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talk to the practitioners

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like what what can we change what's

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able for us to reveal what we know can

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happen and say well you know the thing

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really onerous it's like boring and it's

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like too much too much 34 is too much

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i you know the statistician was

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pushing back because there was no

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evidence that with accuracy waned over

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time but it was regardless you know the

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whole thing is just feeling too onerous

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so it's like how do we make it less

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trials you know 10 trials just because

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it's like all right this is how you do

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it you put 10

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envelopes in front of them at the same

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time one of them has the cancer cells

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the 10 and somehow the numbers compute

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everybody everybody got chance again

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not conclusive but definitely not you

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know being honest not what i wanted to

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but we run out of money we published it

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so this is all the background so this

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has still been like this yearning i've

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had like okay i wanted to see this

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coincident happened at our research

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institute

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we had the honor of hosting a buddha

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relic at our research institute for a

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short time last year

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um so for those of you who don't know a

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buddhi relic is a crystal-like object

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that is purportedly found among the

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cremated ashes

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of buddhist spiritual masters and these

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are treated with very much reverence

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and they're commonly believed to emanate

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a subtle energy that is perceptible to

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people that are sensitive to that type

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of thing so we had this this with us um

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so we thought this would be an awesome

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opportunity to try to do an experiment

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like this again around

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perception of subtle energies

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test that test whether without visual

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cues

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this clairvoyance could detect it so we

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we recruited professional clairvoyance

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community so we didn't

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do any you know we basically trusted

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this is there they're professional they

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work in in the community

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and they have excellent references so

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this is the this is the population of

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folks that we wanted to work with

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so we ended up bringing in four of them

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and again they felt that they didn't

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necessarily have any special skills to

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see subtle energies so

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this is a smaller a smaller sample this

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the rate the research assistant would

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would place the relic

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in an opaque container in the center of

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a table inside in this case we had it

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inside an electromagnetically shielded

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room and again we had this orientation

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phase

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where

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the

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clairvoyance

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were able to orient around it so as you

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can see here

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the little urn in the front has the

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relic inside of it

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now these are the 10 lined up behind it

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are going to be used for the experiment

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but the first stage was to bring the

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subjects in and give them about five

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minutes

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to orient

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and feel what they can feel

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from the urn that has the relic inside

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of it

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and again it's about five minutes

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have them you know and i was i was with

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them so

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during the orientation and the test

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they're allowed to have their hand just

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as you see here no touching it but

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within about one or two inches like

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really

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intimate but without touching

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so after five minutes

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um

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i escorted them out of the shielded room

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and out of the building into another

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building so there's no way for an

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indication a crossing of

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visual cues

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with the staff that then went in

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and moved the relic from the

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front urn

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sorry i'm trying to point to this

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to one of the 10 urns in the back that

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are numbered and this

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was determined

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by a random number generator which urn

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was it was to be moved to

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and

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the ra would lift the lid

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of all the containers in an attempt to

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have to equalize the amount of you know

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touching and manipulation of each of the

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so then

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their ra goes out of the room and out of

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sight and then i bring the subject back

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into the building back into the shooting

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room

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and sit there quietly and watch while

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the subjects

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put their hands over all

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10 of the

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burns to try to detect which urn has the

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relic in it

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again no touching

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they were given you know between five

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and ten minutes

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and then recorded the number of which

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earned they believed it to begin then we

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left the room

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and we basically repeated this process

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10 times so as you remember from the

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published report if we've got 10 choices

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then picking one out of 10

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we only need to do it 10 times to have

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i want to now we want to move to the

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results so it's quite a simple

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experiment and in this case we only did

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it one time so

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um is we're getting to the combination

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here

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so the first result that i'd like to

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describe is that during the orientation

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period this is when

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i escorted in both the clairvoyance and

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control subjects to spend five minutes

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in this quiet room

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with the relic inside of

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the little burn

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um

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this was a period of getting you know

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discerning if if what what you know

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getting used to what they see since

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there has never been any visual contact

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with the relic

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so all of the seers

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did describe

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a variety of

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sensations and perceptions associated

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with

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the urn that had the relic in it

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as compared to the earth the empty the

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10 empty urns in the back

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and none of the control subjects

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reported such perceptions so

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this seemed to be um

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as expected

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what we found again was that

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found we had chance everybody was a

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chance

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um these are the average averages for

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the two groups averaged with standard

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deviation so you can see there was a it

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was quite a bit of variation but there

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was no statistical significance to the

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results of

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either of the groups

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so must admit

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wasn't super happy about these results

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but

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data our data right so these are the

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data we found

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so our conclusion

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from this small trial was that we found

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no evidence that clairvoyant seers were

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able to detect the presence of the

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buddha relic without visual cues

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so in terms of discussion i've got a you

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know a couple of thoughts i'll share and

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then i hope that during the q a

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we can get a bunch of other perspectives

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on this i think the first thing i would

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say is that

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it's quite possible

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that the eminent the subtle energy

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emanations from the relic we don't know

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how far in space and even what kind of

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space they emanate in but it's possible

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that they would radiate far enough this

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is about a two foot

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space

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in terms of where the empty containers

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are and where the one that was

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containing the relic

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so it's possible that the emanations are

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just too strong they go too far to be

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able to to

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focus in and see without interference of

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where it is compared to just a little

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bit further away so that's one

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possibility

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um

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another possibility is that there are

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some traces left in the containers and

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it contaminates it and it becomes all

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complicated

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um you know again we didn't see any

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indication of this in terms of the

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accuracy falling over time because

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you know during the first trial

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it would it would be less so and then of

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course these are the same containers

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used across

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all of the um subjects

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um

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in terms of the earned being empty the

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empty space and inside of the arms burns

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i would expect that most of the

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crowd here

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would agree that in terms of energetic

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uh

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energetic emanations or subtle energies

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empty spaces you know probably anything

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but empty and it wouldn't be surprising

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that there are some kind of signals that

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could be perceived from empty space um

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so it does present i think something to

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think about for the design of future

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studies so it looks like what we see

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from these data

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it looks like a signal to noise ratio

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may be an issue so there may be signals

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coming from the buda relic there may be

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signals coming from empty space

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and in terms of being able to

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distinguish those that's why i'm calling

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it a signal to noise ratio issue

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i think that would be an important

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design element to think about for future

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studies

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so oh and now so there's plenty of time

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for q a

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um i want to thank all the folks that

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that helped

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carry this out

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again the scientists on the team

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as well as our our staff

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joyce anastasia meredith pearson heather

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mandel sue steele d mers steven swanson

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cedric canard all the clairvoyant seers

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and the entire staff

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at ions

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and most importantly i want to thank

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emeril gate

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our funder

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and acknowledge their

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their wisdom and their their mission to

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fund research like this i really very